I think that it can be a mistake to get so hung up on what Jesus "really said". These quotes from Jesus were written decades after he lived, and they were written in a different language than the language he actually spoke. Honest question, do you think that these quotes in the Gospels are word for word exactly what Jesus said? I do think it's really a good idea to compare what Jesus taught in comparison to Paul. Side by side comparison, will show how different their worldview was. Should a Christian follow the teachings of Christ or Paul? Could Jesus's warnings about being misled be applied to Paul, why not. He came after Jesus and claimed he was somehow "channeling" Jesus. Isn't that exactly what the Governing Body claims?
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"LOOK! Here is the Christ." Don't believe it people!
by TimothyT inin my research of the gospels, im trying to prove to myself what the acceptable and perfect will of god is.
as its becoming clearer and clearer, i cant help but notice how wrong the jws are.
why couldnt i see these things in the past?
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Delineating the shameful story of the Jehovah's Witnesses failed apocalypse saga
by mankkeli inone of the most firmly established new religious movements which bases its mission on apocalyptic predictions is jehovahs witnesses.
jehovahs witnesses believe that we are living in a harvest period, the end days of the present world, and should dramatically change our lives accordingly.. the movement can be traced to the 1830s, when a baptist leader named william miller announced that the bible is full of secret numerical clues.
according to his interpretation of scriptural passages, he wrote of his prediction that christ would return to earth some time between march 21, 1843 and march 21, 1844. an estimated 100,000 people accepted his message and formed an informal network to anticipate the second coming, often leaving their mainstream christain churches in the process.
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Welcome to the forum BibleResearcher. "As a JW we do not believe you have to be a JW to be saved,"
I have to respectfully disagree with this statement. The Governing Body most certainly does teach that you have to be a JW in order to be saved. How long have you been one of Jehovah's Witnesses? Because I'm suprised that you don't know such a core belief.
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watchtower saying that apostates are mentally ill?
by worried inhi.
i remember reading posts about a newer watchtower study edition, telling that apostates (or people plainly leaving the truth) were mentally ill. can anyone tell me what edition that was?
i have searched through the forums for the last half hour, and either am i terrible at searching, or they have all vanished..
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Hasn't the Watchtower also printed info that some of the Anointed might be mentally ill?
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But, isn't it a "Wicked System of Things?"
by PenelopePaige ini am not a jw but one thing that they really get me on is when they call the outside world a "wicked system of things" and say it is run by the devil.
i know the world can be great and people can be wonderful but on the flip side, the bad seems to be getting worse and morals seem to be flying out the window.
i don't know, what do you guys think?
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by shechaiyah inhi friends,.
it's been a long time.
i check in about every five years.. .
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I just became a Return Visit (!)
by simon17 inbeen sick all week and for the first time i had jw's visit me since i left (actually the second time, but the first time it was just two people who asked "are you turkish" and left when i said no lol.
very strange).
anyway, since i had no voice and little strength i just let them go through their presentation with a smile, took the mags, and that was it.
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So what do ya'll think about the recent new light?
by stillin9 inyou know, the thing they were talking about in the 2011 dc.
it was about how the "toes" of daniel's image no longer represent all the individual governments that have come around in human history.
and that the anglo-american world power is the last world power we'll see before the end of the system of things.
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The new light that comes to the watchtower should not just come from the governing body members. The anointed remnant are supposed to contribute to any new understandings.
I certainly understand why you would believe this. The real problem is that Watchtower Doctrine contradicts itself. There are currently seven members on the Governing Body, and in 2010 there were 11,202 memorial partakers or members of the "Faithfull Slave". By the Watchtowers own recent admission they do not consult other members of the "Slave", and they don't even keep track of who they are. The Anointed who aren't part of the Governing Body have no special teaching roles within the congregations and are not dispensing spiritual food in fulfillment of Matthew 24:45. So if you do the math, you realize that over 99.9% of the members of the "Slave Class" alive on Earth are not fullfiling Matthew 24:45.
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Jesus is NOT the Mediator for the Great Crowd?
by Resistance is Futile inso according to the watchtower, jesus is not the mediator for the great crowd.
evidently jesus is only mediator for the anointed.
this means that about 99.9% of jehovahs witnesses cant say that jesus is their mediator.
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Would it really matter folks, seriously, does it even matter.....
I'm not a Christian, so no it doesn't really matter to me. But if I were a Christian it certainly would matter. And if I was a JW, and I discovered the Christ is not my Mediator I would think it would most certainly matter. I'm not quite sure I understand the point you're trying to make.
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Jesus is NOT the Mediator for the Great Crowd?
by Resistance is Futile inso according to the watchtower, jesus is not the mediator for the great crowd.
evidently jesus is only mediator for the anointed.
this means that about 99.9% of jehovahs witnesses cant say that jesus is their mediator.
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So according to the Watchtower, Jesus is NOT the Mediator for the Great Crowd. Evidently Jesus is only Mediator for the Anointed. This means that about 99.9% of Jehovah’s Witnesses can’t say that Jesus is their Mediator. Ironically it seems as though this is not common knowledge among JW’s.
So exactly who is the Mediator for the Great Crowd? How does the Watchtower handle this question? Have they ever actually given a direct answer to this question? I don’t have the WT cd, so I’m wondering what a JW would find if they “researched” this question.
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Surprised reaction
by truthseeker1969 inmy brother who attends meetings was at the hall when they were explaining the "generation" new lite.. he said he was stunned when a rumble went through the congo which he said sounded like "oh here we go again" and then laughing.. the brother sittig next to him said 'what next" and after the meeting a lot of people were mad that instead of leaving what they do not know they re-invented it.. elders were being surrounded by people asking them to explain it.. this happened a few weeks ago but there is also alot of anger at the "mentally diseased " comment made by the gb as people view it as an outright attack on family members.
i think i smell trouble.. he is not one who shuns and told the elders that until they show him where jesus said shun then he will continue to talk to me.. one elder told him that if he persists in talking to me then he could be brought before a committe to which he told him "it would be your funeral".
so me thinks they are truly in a panic!.
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I'm in the middle of a Watchtower Publication study with a JW. When I innocently brought up the old light which is still in their "Bible Teach" book about the generation of 1914 not passing away, he immediately got uncomfortable and tried to change the subject. So despite the inability of a JW to openly question the changes in this doctrine, I suspect that this nonsense about "overlapping" has a few JW's realizing that something is not right.